tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post6398505797557543970..comments2023-10-09T16:07:24.187+05:30Comments on These pretzels are making me thirsty: The Dark Knight Rises: Plot Holes, Inconsistencies and TheoriesElmerFuddnavishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comBlogger237125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-85340830615507372212012-07-27T14:16:10.724+05:302012-07-27T14:16:10.724+05:30I have read so many things on the internet against...I have read so many things on the internet against TDKR but haven't retorted to any as everyone has the right to have an opinion but I'm sorry Meghna, you are ABSOLUTELY wrong about Anne Hathaway. She is just brilliant in the movie. <br />You are jealous of her, aren't you?ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-87032077194035357282012-07-27T04:24:59.485+05:302012-07-27T04:24:59.485+05:30Replying to ur plotholes... 1. Well, Blake seems t...Replying to ur plotholes... 1. Well, Blake seems to possess keen insight... atleast that's wat the movie suggests... apparently, their shared tragedies of losing parents at a young age seems to have been the cause for it... the other orphans might be orphans from birth (unlike Blake)...<br /><br />2. They were getting regular supplies of food... providing them a shaving kit, soap etc along with the food... doesn't seem too much of a stretch... I agree with the guns bit... but have to watch it again to see where they might've dropped it off :)<br /><br />3. U mean, why couldn't they start using the reactor to provide clean energy... well... that's a valid question i suppose... Maybe it is to do with Bruce coming out of his shell... trusting another person with it?? I mean who's to say that, that specific knowledge cannot be learned by another??ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-652458452495804522012-07-27T02:06:23.111+05:302012-07-27T02:06:23.111+05:301. The restaurant scene was real as Alfred saw bot...1. The restaurant scene was real as Alfred saw both Batman and Selina. Selina didn't join the Batman when he goes to difuse the bomb. Has to be real.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-54239250630516365772012-07-26T02:43:14.928+05:302012-07-26T02:43:14.928+05:30There was not batman in the bat. There is a seemin...There was not batman in the bat. There is a seemingly unnecessary explosion to a building - which makes robin think and shout out to the kids- "This is it!" The building is on fire and out of the smoke comes the bat with the bomb. Why was it needed? The only explanation is that batman dropped out of the bat and that explosion was the camouflage. and now we all know that 6 months ago he himself fixed the auto pilotElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-66176206010596058092012-07-25T11:50:34.272+05:302012-07-25T11:50:34.272+05:30Too lazy to type.: http://alteregooftwism.blogspot...Too lazy to type.: http://alteregooftwism.blogspot.in/2012/07/the-epic-ripping-apart-of-petty.htmlElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-9766618348443205892012-07-25T03:20:09.177+05:302012-07-25T03:20:09.177+05:30Batman installing the new bat signal for Gordon on...Batman installing the new bat signal for Gordon only proves that he wants the 'symbol of hope' to be alive even after he is gone .. he knows blake is the right person to carry forward the 'batman legacy' .. that said, auto pilot being fixed 6 months in advance is a solid enough proof that he did not die.. I personally would have loved the ending with Alfred smiling at the restaurant and screen turning black ..ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-16996328426038255552012-07-25T01:41:36.959+05:302012-07-25T01:41:36.959+05:30The answer to the 1st question is pretty simple. A...The answer to the 1st question is pretty simple. Alfred is not dreaming. He had mentioned about a cafe in Florence by river Arno. It must not have been hard for Detective Batman to figure out which cafe of all the cafes by riven Arno was Alfred talking about. <br /><br />Also we see Selina wearing Bruce's mothers pearl necklace in that scene ( which according to that lady in the preceding scene is one of the things missing from the wayne mansion).Clearly it must have been given to her by Master Wayne. :)ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-47613771297129205522012-07-25T00:40:15.730+05:302012-07-25T00:40:15.730+05:30Alfred does mention the restaurant being on the ba...Alfred does mention the restaurant being on the bank of the river Arno.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-18671249958791054532012-07-24T22:34:12.144+05:302012-07-24T22:34:12.144+05:30Dude, the League Of Shadows have sufficient funds ...Dude, the League Of Shadows have sufficient funds and resources. Remember BB !!ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-17674169127195224222012-07-24T22:07:08.433+05:302012-07-24T22:07:08.433+05:301) Was the scene at the restaurant a dream or real...1) Was the scene at the restaurant a dream or reality?<br />Real. Alfred told the location. And again how hard is it for the motherfuckin' Batman to find out which restaurant Alfred hangs out in everytime he goes on his yearly vacation.<br /><br />2) How did Batman survive the Nuclear Blast?<br />He must've figured out the perfect time to eject out. Also, there were two Bats, but for how he could have used that to his advantage requires another viewing.<br /><br />3) Why does the Batman need to stage his own death??<br />Refer Batman Begins for that. Batman is just a symbol. Batman is immortal. I think you clearly missed the point. Batman never died in the movie. It's Bruce that died. Because the man never mattered. Batman did. Remember he fixed Gordon's Bat-signal device in the end. And Blake/Robin entering the Bat Cave in the end. This is on Nolan theme consistent throughout the trilogy.<br /><br />4) How the fuck does Batman travel from Jodhpur to Gotham?<br />He's the Batman. The place is not in India as per the movie. He is the extremely rich multi-billionaire Bruce Wayne too. He must have friends in the right places. And if the routine secret service guys can enter Gotham in the supplies truck, it's lame to even ask how the GODDAMNED BATMAN entered Gotham.<br /><br />5) Is The Dark Knight Rises a worthy ending to the trilogy?<br />Absolutely. The movie is a bit bloated in the middle. And it loses when you compare it with The Dark Knight. For me, the only thing unsatisfying about it was the Occupy Gotham part. I thought it was done a bit hastily. But otherwise, it was a stunning, exhilarating and satisfying conclusion to the Odyssey that Nolan sent Batman on in 2005. It was immense in the ambition and spectacle.<br /><br />Final thoughts - I feel that Nolan should have presented this epic conclusion in two parts. First part ending with Batman's back being broken. He had a lot of themes he must've wanted to address more, but maybe couldn't do because of the time constraint. Like the relationship b/w Bruce and Miranda. He could have given them more mushy screen time that just one romp, to make the final betrayal twist hit harder. Same goes for the Bane's Occupy Gotham. But still, I am satisfied. Nolan delivered, and grandly !!<br /><br />Please let me know what you think.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-20065836429489540072012-07-24T18:49:47.864+05:302012-07-24T18:49:47.864+05:301) Was the scene at the restaurant a dream or real...1) Was the scene at the restaurant a dream or reality?<br />Real. Cause Alfred does mention the location and the Name of the Restaurant to Bruce Wayne.<br /><br /> 2) How did Batman survive the Nuclear Blast?<br />Because he is Batman :)<br /><br />3) Why does the Batman need to stage his own death??<br />I think Batman in this series comes with a Expiry date. He does not want to carry on what he is doing and he has planned his backup plan for Gotham. John Blake.<br /><br />4) How the fuck does Batman travel from Jodhpur to Gotham?<br />You and I know its Jodhpur. But its never mentioned in the movie that it is Jodhpur. It could be any place. IMO.<br /><br />5) Is The Dark Knight Rises a worthy ending to the trilogy?<br />May be the backlash of what happen to the tiny wobble in Inception was playing in Chris's mind that he did not want to Fuck with minds anymore. Atleast for this Trilogy.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-3261801963220594032012-07-24T13:23:52.238+05:302012-07-24T13:23:52.238+05:30Why was he being taken in by CIA, well cos he was ...Why was he being taken in by CIA, well cos he was capable of turning a perfectly safe nuclear reactor into a bomb, and was willing to sell his expertise to the highest rogue bidder. What is what Bane is talking about Dr. Pavel rejecting their offer, and so the CIA wanted him in for questioning.<br /><br />Miranda Tate clearly states, that Dr. Pavel was killed in Uzbekistan, which means, the CIA was clearly running a black op there, and therefore were flying under the radar, it easy to see this in the movie, where the plane is flying really low. The plane which takes over the CIA plane, is also therefore, flying at below the radar detection, and hence doesn't show on the radar.<br /><br />Dr. Pavel doesn't know it was Bane under the hood..........the people who transported Bane to CIA were pretending to be CIA's Uzbeki contacts, who were really Bane's men, who had killed the actual CIA contacts. <br /><br />Here is how the whole thing worked. CIA gets a tip off about, Dr. Pavel's presence in Uzbekistan, and sends their, Uzbeki contacts to bring him in. The uzbeki team, is killed by Bane's men, who pretending to be CIA take in Dr. Pavel, as he was spoken to them, and take along a covered Bane and some other terrorists, to the CIA guy, as they want to know how much the CIA knows. Dr. Pavel believes he is being taken into CIA Custody, without knowing that a switch has been made.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-10191976907379705332012-07-24T13:11:18.654+05:302012-07-24T13:11:18.654+05:30He doesn't examine that very Bat which was in ...He doesn't examine that very Bat which was in the Nuclear explosion........remember he say "Yes Mr. Wayne, it does come in black". Which means that there are other Bats, in other colors, but I have one that is black as well. Just like when we get the tumbler in BB, we see that there are others as well, which are not black.<br /><br />So when Wayne fixed the autopilot, he patched it onto the other Bats as well, and it is the other Bats, that Fox is looking at when asking what he could have done to fix it.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-5410660810045886592012-07-24T13:06:23.146+05:302012-07-24T13:06:23.146+05:301) Reality. The question of dream or reality arise...1) Reality. The question of dream or reality arises purely because of Inception, and quite frankly move on.<br /><br />Inception was Inception, and had it been any other director, the question would not even arise. There are just too many things that go against the dream theory, first of all why would Alfred picture Bruce with Selina Kyle........though this argument against the dream theory has a very powerful and easy counter explanation, but I will leave that out. Above all, the point is Batman, or Bruce Wayne is not a suicidal maniac, and while it is one thing to be prepared to die, another thing altogether to die, even when you can easily avoid death. If Batman went ahead and killed himself even when autopilot is working then that is even more unbelievable than him ending up safe somehow. Don't get me wrong, I would have loved it even more if there was no cafe ending, and if Batman did die, but then the evidence is to the contrary.<br /><br />2) As for when did he get out, that is another thing altogether I will admit, and it is hard to pin point the location of when he got out. However there are enough points in this journey from the base to the waters, where he could have......one you mentioned, that is when he was flying low, another is when there is that blast from the building, on the roof, and the kid, says its Batman, far away on the bus, and in the general scheme of things I fail to understand, exactly what that blast achieved, and is definitely a point where an ejection through a blast could have been achieved, much like how the batpod, blasted its way out of the batmobile in TDK. Also if you notice then the entire sequence is shown from the point of view of the people on the bridge, and we only get a far distance shot of the Bat, till it flies past the bridge. As far the shot of Batman, it is still a few seconds before the explosion, and it need not have been from inside the Bat. I would still say that the explosion on top of the building is when he got out though.<br /><br />3) Bruce Wayne has never wanted to be Batman all his life, just so long as Gotham needs him, and that was achieved at the end of TDK, and Batman was no longer required, and Bruce Wayne was free from teh burden. Sadly for him though, the freedom was achieved at the cost of Rachel and so he was never fully able to enjoy the life post Batman. Batman had done his job, but Bruce Wayne had no one, so he sort of remained stuck in time. The events of TDKR, though helped him get past his loss in TDK and finally he had a chance to be free, again, to have fresh start, and for that he had to move out of Gotham. Remember that "Clean Slate" software he gave Selina, I bet Selina was not the only one who used that, the fact that Bruce would make such a thing in the first place, is a clear indication of how he just wanted a fresh start, all along, and so Bruce had to "die".<br /><br />4) This is probably the easiest of questions to explain. Yes the pit, and Gotham are very far off no doubt, but Bruce Wayne is bound to have bank accounts all over the world, and only those in his name, but given the gadgets at his disposal, he is just as likely to have some fake ones as well........all billionaires do. He used the money to get back quickly. How did he get inside, Gotham, well, remember those tunnels, inside the Batcave, from BB, that his Great grandfather or someone used to transport, free slaves through, I suspect they came in handy.<br /><br />5) You ask if this was a fitting end, and then go on to suggest an end that would merge this with Inception, that would be disaster of an ending, if it merged with the world of Inception. <br /><br />Yes, this was a fitting end, simply because the scale is grander than the earlier two movies, everyone's story arc is complete, no plot points remain unresolved, and in terms of the threat Gotham and Batman are tested like never before, and come out with flying colors.........and finally Bruce gets what he has always wanted, peace in Gotham, and the day that Batman is no longer required.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-2036053378360799522012-07-24T12:28:55.471+05:302012-07-24T12:28:55.471+05:30I felt this was absurd too, but then again, Blake ...I felt this was absurd too, but then again, Blake was a pretty good detective, with a sharp eye. For instance, the scene wherein he quickly infers that the construction crew were not making concrete but explosives.<br /><br />Yes, a repeat comment. I inadvertently replied to another unrelated comment the first time.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-65755437962533885892012-07-24T12:27:44.237+05:302012-07-24T12:27:44.237+05:30Oh, crap! This was for the comment below! My bad!Oh, crap! This was for the comment below! My bad!ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-24077785127700893972012-07-24T12:16:22.120+05:302012-07-24T12:16:22.120+05:30I'm sorry but was this a reply to some other c...I'm sorry but was this a reply to some other comment, because I haven't mentioned Blake at all!ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-39981858395199406132012-07-24T11:46:25.210+05:302012-07-24T11:46:25.210+05:30Daggett. He says so himself.
Daggett: I paid you ...Daggett. He says so himself.<br /><br />Daggett: I paid you a fortune!<br />Bane: And do you feel that gives you power?ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-50939039600284207522012-07-24T11:42:30.545+05:302012-07-24T11:42:30.545+05:30I felt this was absurd too, but then again, Blake ...I felt this was absurd too, but then again, Blake was a pretty good detective, with a sharp eye. For instance, the scene wherein he quickly infers that the construction crew were not making concrete but explosives.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-6730630119957734472012-07-24T11:41:03.942+05:302012-07-24T11:41:03.942+05:30Fox was indeed there: he pats Alfred's shoulde...Fox was indeed there: he pats Alfred's shoulder. The autopilot scene is after the funeral, because he tells one of this technicians something about wanting to know if having the autopilot fixed would've saved Batman's life.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-86701340470221813452012-07-24T10:42:15.739+05:302012-07-24T10:42:15.739+05:30If your criminal record is wiped out of database, ...If your criminal record is wiped out of database, traveling is no longer an issue. But I don't see why Selina Kyle can't just buy herself a new identity and live a new life anywhere.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-35938959466762748502012-07-24T10:11:33.693+05:302012-07-24T10:11:33.693+05:30And how exactly did Bane and his team have the hea...And how exactly did Bane and his team have the heavy funding to carry out destruction of such massive kind!!ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-44588590390682379802012-07-24T10:01:19.656+05:302012-07-24T10:01:19.656+05:30My most basic question is how the hell does Bane e...My most basic question is how the hell does Bane eat and drink!!ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-32957710953466598102012-07-24T08:21:21.370+05:302012-07-24T08:21:21.370+05:30How does Morgan Freeman examine the Bat-Plane at t...How does Morgan Freeman examine the Bat-Plane at the end? Wasn't it, like, in a nuclear explosion or something?ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1795516404305877299.post-54939915537377119512012-07-24T08:17:58.708+05:302012-07-24T08:17:58.708+05:30You do know that it was a fusion bomb right and no...You do know that it was a fusion bomb right and not even the traditional hydrogen bomb but one made from a purely fusion core.ElmerFuddnavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08560753025102995101noreply@blogger.com